I'm an outsider to Delhi and to politics as well: Narendra Modi

Published By : Admin | May 6, 2014 | 12:52 IST

In his recent interview to The Times of India, Shri Narendra Modi outlines his vision on the economy, the environment, defence and internal security, even as he articulates his views on Pakistan, China and the US, ministry-formation, and his style of running government.

Excerpts from the interview:

You and BJP seem confident about getting a majority on May 16. BJP had exuded similar optimism in 2004 and 2009. In 2004, many BJP leaders even allocated portfolios to themselves. What makes you feel that BJP is going to be lucky this time?

If you have attended some of my rallies you would not have asked this question. Recently I have seen some media reports stating that the BJP campaign this time has probably been the biggest mass mobilization exercise of its kind in the history of elections. Even I was not aware of the details till I saw some of these reports. If you see the statements of all political pundits, there is unanimity that there is a strong wave for the BJP-NDA. Political surveys paint a similar picture. Independent analysis of media groups also point to the same thing. How else will you explain the fact that many leaders of the Congress have decided to stay away from this election? It was due to the fear of losing. On the other hand, the fact that we have more than 25 partners in our pre-poll alliance also shows the increasing support we are getting. The response of the people on the ground has been so overwhelming that it is difficult to fully describe it. I have got unbelievable and unprecedented response not in just one, two or three, but in hundreds of rallies across the country. There is tremendous groundswell of support for the BJP. It is something that has never been seen before.

Your campaign has been on the themes of development, growth and good governance. But some of your colleagues have raked up controversial issues, raising fears that your focus on secular themes is just a ruse and that you will take up Hindutva issues once you assume office.

There is this problem of artificial comparisons. While several senior leaders of Congress and of other parties have indulged in the worst kind of comments against me, they have largely gone unnoticed by the media. However, in case of the BJP even a small anonymous worker chanting a particular slogan or a junior leader making a statement is given a lot of hype. There is over eagerness on the part of certain vested interest groups to somehow find out some controversial statements from the BJP. I think a neutral analysis by any journalist will tell us that the BJP campaign this time has been focused totally on the issues of development and good governance. Many political pundits told us that elections in India cannot be won only on the issues of development and good governance. We decided to prove them wrong. It is our responsibility to shift the focus of campaign from trivial issues and personal attacks to the issues of public interest, development and good governance. I wonder if our political opponents would have refrained from the use of abusive language and personal attacks, probably we would have written a new chapter in Indian electoral politics.

Your campaign of development and governance has failed to convince Muslims and other minorities. They have consolidated against you. Do you consider all this to be a failure of your efforts or success of your opponents? Also, do you think it will be possible for you to get rid of the baggage of the 2002 Gujarat riots?

Your question shows how the media, or at least parts of it, are caught in a time warp. Today it is anachronistic to think that a community won't be interested in development and good governance. In fact, it is an insult to the intellect of the Indian voter by such parties that believe that he can be made to forget about real issues of poverty and development and get him to vote in a particular manner just by making him insecure by fear-mongering. The Indian voter today is more mature than what our political opponents give him credit for. I have heard the statements of several prominent leaders of the minority community asking Congress not to try and make them insecure by fear-mongering. They have started to ask what really has Congress done for the minorities and this is where Congress secures a big zero. It's their mindset that they need not do anything substantive for improving the lives of the people and they can just manipulate them along caste and communal lines to get their votes. It is this politics of vote banks which has done the maximum damage to our country in the last sixty years. Now this type of politics has attained its expiry date. Such political parties should either reform or they face an actual threat of becoming extinct.

Our slogan, on the other hand, has been
Sabka Saath Sabka Vikas. We believe in taking everyone together. We believe only the issues of development and good governance impact the lives of all citizens of this country regardless of their caste, creed, region or religion.

You have alleged that the UPA government tried to use the CBI to frame you. Can you please elaborate? Did the alleged plot fail because of CBI's resistance or because the agency failed in its effort? Would you consider an inquiry into the conduct of CBI during UPA's tenure, especially with regard to Gujarat-related cases?

In the last 10 years, the kind of efforts that the UPA government put in somehow fixing me in some or the other false case was huge. If they would have put even ounce of that effort in solving the country's problems, they would not have been in as precarious a situation as that they are in today.

I am a forward looking individual. I have a positive frame of mind. I am also clear that we cannot afford to make the same mistakes that the UPA government made in the last 10 years. I do not believe in the politics of vendetta and witch-hunting. Having said that, it is going to be our duty to reform the institutions and to strengthen them so that they can function effectively and professionally as envisaged under the constitutional arrangement or the statutory provisions. The apex court has on several occasions made adverse observations on the conduct of CBI. It will be our endeavour to ensure that CBI is no longer an institution which can be manipulated to achieve political ends.

How do you view Kapil Sibal's statement that you are a "potential accused" in the Tulsiram Prajapati case, and that the CBI failed to probe your and Amit Shah's complicity in "encounter cases"?

Mr. Sibal is an eminent lawyer and the law minister of the country. Though he is knowledgeable, but more often than not, he uses his legal acumen to the detriment of the country. From what I have observed about him, he places individual interest and the party interest above the interest of the country and the government. Probably he is the only law minister who can coin the term "potential accused". Now that the UPA government is nearing its end, his desperation is increasing by the day. This particular statement is a complete giveaway of his old desire to somehow implicate me in some or the other false case. He must, however, know that in our country there is rule of law and the law is above the law minister.

Mr. Sibal's enthusiasm is not something new. During the 2009 Lok Sabha elections while campaigning in Gujarat, he had publicly declared that if a UPA government is to be formed, he will put Modi in jail.

Sibal has also said that the UPA government has zeroed in on the judge who will conduct an investigation into the allegation that the Gujarat government put a woman architect under illicit surveillance. Your comment?

If Mr. Sibal were to have his way, he would have not only found a judge, he would have also obtained the kind of report that he wants so badly. But he doesn't realize that we have a fiercely independent judiciary. I must say that the conduct of Mr. Sibal in some of the issues has been very unbecoming of a Union Cabinet Minister. He has a lot to answer to the nation. He must understand that institutions and processes are sacrosanct and they cannot be sacrificed at the altar of political expediency.

Mr. Sibal is certainly not a person known for respecting the law or believing in administrative propriety. He is one of those who think that they know the law better than anybody else and so they have a right to abuse the law to meet their ends, however questionable they are. He believes that he is the only intelligent person around and he can mislead the entire nation by his false logic and misinterpretation of laws and facts. After all, he is the one who tried to tell the nation about the zero loss theory in the 2G spectrum scam. It is people like him who have done damage to our institutions. It is also due to leaders like him that the Congress party is in such a poor situation today.

You have aroused very high expectations in the people. Does that worry you? People may be expecting results very soon. As Ram Manohar Lohia said, "Jinda qaumen paanch saal intezaar nahin karti (Democracies don't always wait for five years)."

I am not at all worried. On the contrary, it gives me a sense of satisfaction that even in this climate of extreme pessimism and cynicism, we have been able to revive people's interest in politics. I am happy that people across the country have started feeling a positive energy. There is a sense of hope and expectation rather than a sense of gloom and despair which existed through the past decade. I am certainly conscious that raised expectations bring along with them enhanced responsibility. We are committed to work that much harder to discharge our obligations. All I can promise is that we will work hard with utmost sincerity and commitment to fulfill the dreams and aspirations of the crores of people of our great nation.

When asked whether Robert Vadra will be prosecuted, you have said that you will not engage in political vendetta or a witch hunt. At the same time, you have also said that law will take its own course, and that matters concerning probity in public life cannot be treated as personal issues. Will it be right to say that you are promising no immunity to anyone?

Our country is run by the rule of law. It is not run as per the likes and dislikes of individuals occupying high office. Thus, it would be absurd to even debate that anyone can be granted immunity from law even if that person is me.

You have said that Congress is headed for its worst-ever performance in LS elections? What will be the impact of that on the party?

Congress is fighting for its survival. You might have observed that many of its senior leaders have opted out of elections and are nowhere to be seen during the campaign. The fight is now for the relevance of Gandhi family as unquestioned leaders of the Congress party. Their target is to somehow cross the hundred-seat mark so that their leadership of the Congress party is not challenged. However, I see all possibility of the Congress falling below the hundredseat mark and if that happens, there will be a serious churning within Congress over the issue of leadership.

Do you think Rahul Gandhi has proved to be a failure and should make way for Priyanka Gandhi?

It is for the Congress party to take these decisions post the election results. However, it seems odd that a national party like the Congress should not be able to think beyond the Gandhi family for providing leadership.

What do you think of AAP's future? Has it hindered your campaign by poaching a slice of middle class supporters who were disappointed with Congress and could have tilted towards BJP? It is also said that all doubts about BJP's victory in this election would have been put to rest if AAP not stopped BJP from winning the Delhi polls in December.

BJP is a party which draws its strength from its organizational network and a huge base of its workers and volunteers. Besides, the ground level support from voters in this election has been too huge to be impacted by the advent of any new political parties or formations. We are a party which is fighting on the basis of its own strength. We have set our own agenda and the support we are getting is a positive support for it. The support we are getting is on the basis of our track record and the promises that we have made.

Do you think AAP can replace Congress as an all-India "secular" alternative to Congress should the latter fail as miserably as you say it will?

After the elections, there will be hardly anything left of the Congress party to replace it.

Naxals have been identified as the single biggest internal security threat. To tackle it, one school suggests tough measures while another feels it is an offshoot of larger socio-economic factors and that the symptom will not go away unless the root cause is addressed. Which method would you prefer?

The use of the term Naxalism is outdated and incorrect. Maoism would be a more correct description. Maoism and terrorism are the biggest threats to our internal security. I have always advocated a zero tolerance approach to these problems. Further, we need a clearcut legal framework to address these challenges. Regardless of what are the reasons for the people to resort to violence, our ability to deal with it should not be compromised by lack of preparedness. We can choose to deal with issues the way we want, but our response should not be constrained by unavailability of options. Therefore, I feel that modernizing our police forces and our central paramilitary forces is something that cannot be delayed any longer.

We should invest to equip our security forces with modern weapons and equipments, train them and deploy them effectively. I also feel that Maoism is a problem which has to be tackled by the Central and state governments acting in unison with complete coordination.

You have said that you do not want to be confrontational with Pakistan. Do you feel that your "tough-on-national security" platform will give you space to deal with Pakistan?

We do not want to be confrontational with any country. Foreign policy cannot be conducted by having a confrontational approach with neighbours or for that matter with any other country. We have to conduct our foreign policy with all other nations and specially our neighbours with a sense of trust and mutual cooperation. However, supremacy of national interest has to be one of the basic planks of foreign policy.

Relations cannot be improved as long as there is a trust deficit and to bridge the trust deficit, mere talk cannot replace concrete action. Our country continues to face the onslaught of terrorism emanating out of the soil of Pakistan. The first step in building any meaningful relation with Pakistan has to be Pakistan taking effective and demonstrable action against the terror networks that operate from its soil. Once that happens there will be an increased trust between the two neighbours which will enable us to pursue a policy of dialogue to solve all the issues. We will be very frank and forthright in our dealing with Pakistan.

We are very clear that both our countries have a common history and we share not only borders but also common culture and traditions. Besides, the problems that we face are also common; our biggest enemy being poverty and lack of development. India and Pakistan can together write a new chapter in the development of South Asia if the two countries were to concentrate on fighting poverty and unemployment. 

Will you be deterred by the fact that Pakistan responded to Vajpayee's peace initiative by launching the Kargil attack?

I will only say that we should not be constrained by what has happened in the past if the present throws up new possibilities in terms of solutions. However, as I have said, building trust between the two nations is prerequisite to any further meaningful movement on the relations and that can happen only when the terror networks operating out of Pakistan are dismantled.

Pakistan has multiple centres of power and there is universal acknowledgement that the Army calls the shots when it comes to relations with India. Will you be mindful of this reality?

It goes without saying that pragmatic foreign policy has to be guided by an understanding of the ground realities. However, I think the people in Pakistan increasingly want to strengthen the democratic institutions in Pakistan. As a responsible member of global fraternity, we would also like to work with Pakistan, like any other nation to ensure that the democratic institutions in Pakistan are strengthened.

China has been very warm towards investment prospects in Gujarat. Unlike the US, it did not bring the 2002 riots in its dealings with Gujarat under you. Do you think you can build upon that to settle political differences?

It is possible to solve our problems with China and take the relationship with it to another level. If India and China want to work together towards improving our relationship and resolving our differences, it would be helpful to both the nations. The 21st century belongs to Asia. More than 60% of the world's population resides in Asia. It would thus be in the interest of the entire world that Asia develops and concentrates on improving the standard of living of its people.

Will the strain between you and the US over its refusal of visa to you come in the way of US's anxiety to mend fences?

I have said several times in the past that relations between the two countries cannot be determined or be even remotely influenced by incidents related to individuals. The Atal Bihari Vajpayee government started a new era of partnership with the US. We will build upon that and take it forward. It is in the interest of both the nations to develop further on our relationship. The oldest democracy in the world and the largest democracy in the world are natural allies and we must work together towards global peace and prosperity.

You have clarified that your "news trader" barb was not directed at media as a whole but only those with a vested interest to "distort" facts about you and Gujarat. Still, there's a perception that you are suspicious of the "national" media and have bypassed it by communicating through the regional media.

I am always very clear and forthright on my views about the media. I have the highest respect for media as the fourth pillar of our democracy. I feel a strong, vibrant and neutral media is indispensable for a free democracy. However, even if certain sections of media start being prejudiced about a particular issue and become obstinate about not seeing the truth, it can harm the institution of media and, by extension, our democracy. It is worse when such prejudice is a result of manipulation by vested interest groups, achieved by distortion of facts and perpetuation of lies.

I have the highest respect for the media and I wish people in media will ensure that such aberrations will be dealt by them in an institutional manner. Everybody has a right to form opinions and to express them. However, where there is difference of opinion on facts and matters of law, it is in everybody's interest to let there be a finality of opinion with the judicial system. We should all learn to respect that. That is the only way we can save ourselves from continuous acrimony. 

Do you fear that this equation will be a handicap if you become PM?

As I have said, I have a healthy relationship with the media. Just as I do not believe in trying to influence the media, similarly I am not one to be bulldozed by the media. I have always believed that I will do my work and let media do its work. The media should respect my independence as much as it wants its own independence to be respected by those in politics and government.

It is said that you are the archetypal outsider, that if you were to be the PM, it will mark the biggest departure yet from the past, not just in terms of focus and priorities, but also culture.

I would not contest that description and analysis. I actually consider myself as an outsider not only to Delhi politics but to politics per se. For 50 years of my life, I was just moving around interacting with people trying to understand the problems they face. I was always on the move from one part of the country to another, from one state to another. I have made overnight stays in more than 400 districts of the country. I have seen firsthand the problems and challenges that our people face. I have seen firsthand the hopes and expectations they have. I have also seen from close quarters the kind of talent our people have and the kind of hard work they are ready to put in to improve their lives. To that extent I am always one among the people.

Do you feel that your being an outsider will hinder your effectiveness in office?

On the contrary, it always helps me in discharging my responsibilities. In all my meetings with officers, I am always wearing the hat of the citizen and trying to think on his behalf. I think the sheer amount of time I have spent with people helps me to retain a high level of empathy and understanding for the common man.

Do you feel the Delhi elite will respond to you if you succeed in the face of their hostility?

I don't think anybody wants India to remain poor. They will all be contributors to this journey of progress and prosperity rather than being an impediment as you seem to suggest.

BJP's manifesto promises robust defence preparedness. Defence acquisitions are delayed because of red-tape, institutional risk-aversion and procedural delays which are often engineered by rival factions of arms dealers. How do you propose to get around the problem which has defeated so many honest intentions in the past?

Our armed forces and our men and women in uniform have always displayed highest valour and courage. The nation stands indebted to the heroic sacrifices made by our armed forces in protecting our land and borders. Historically we have always been a nation that has never been the aggressor but one which will fight to the last to defend itself against any aggression. We should take all steps to ensure that our defence preparedness is of the highest order to be able to meet any covert or overt aggression. We also need to ensure that the morale of our defence personnel remains high at all times, and for this, the government needs to take the extra steps to address genuine concerns of our officers and soldiers.

The last 10 years have seen our defence preparedness becoming weak on account of several procurement procedures mired by long delays leading to shortage of arms and equipment. The ideal situation is an efficient procurement system leading to timely and cost effective procurement of quality defence equipment, done in a transparent manner. In the past, we had instances of good quality arms being procured but lacking in transparency in their procurement. In the last 10 years have a paradoxical situation where there was hardly any procurement happening in time and still serious questions of transparency have been raised. I think the time has come when domestic production of defence equipment and machinery needs to be seriously incentivized by the government in a carefully calibrated manner so that we move towards indigenous equipment manufacturing in the medium term without compromising our preparedness in the short term. I am convinced that the time for this idea has come up.

​We must start with indigenizing military equipment. The DRDO has several decades of experience but India still imports most of its military hardware. We should involve Indian corporates in PPPs for defence manufacturing. We have the scientific and technical knowhow but the arms lobby has prevented indigenization of military hardware. This must change, making Indian defence more self-reliant and also saving foreign exchange.

Delhi is full of speculation about the team of ministers in your government. Have you applied your mind to the task yet? It is a relevant question but premature.

You have said that the decision to contest from Varanasi was that of the party. What's the reason it cited? Which seat will you keep if you are elected from both Varanasi and Vadodara?

It was a decision by the party taken in the interest of the party. How many seats to contest from, which seats to contest from, which seat to retain etc. are all issues that are to be decided by the party. As a disciplined worker, I am committed to implement party decisions.

You have also said that it is the party which will decide who should take over in Gujarat if you move to Delhi. But you are sure to be consulted. Who will you back? Anandiben Patel? Will Amit Shah join the PMO?

These are speculative questions that have no answer at present. We will cross the bridge when we come to it. What I can assure is that these are all going to be collective decisions of the party and the interest of Gujarat will be kept in mind as being above all considerations.

You seem to indicate that economy will be a big focus area for you. How will you address the problem of jobless growth? Is the decision opposing FDI in multi-brand retail final?

The first priority of the government will be to restore the health of the economy and put it back on track. This is not only important for reviving growth, but also important for generating employment. If there is one single thing that I feel needs maximum attention, it is generating employment for our youth.

To restore the health of the economy, a number of steps need to be taken. The first and the foremost will be to bring back the focus on infrastructure and manufacturing sector. For this we will have to move away quickly from the present state of policy paralysis and create an enabling environment to revive investor sentiment. We will also have to take steps to remove procedural bottlenecks and expedite decisionmaking process for clearing projects.

Even as we take effective steps to revive growth and generate employment, we will also have to take specific measures for controlling inflation. This will require addressing the supply side concerns. This, in turn, would mean reviving the agriculture sector and come out of the present state wherein agriculture is being seen as non-remunerative. Farmers of this country feed the nation. Just enacting legislations without adequately addressing the challenges that the farmer faces is nothing but a mockery of farmers and the poor. The farming sector has to be revived and we must try to usher in a second green revolution. This can be done only by investing heavily on irrigation facilities and beginning work in right earnest on the river linking project. On the issue of FDI in retail our position has been made clear in our party manifesto.

There is speculation that you will govern more through efficient bureaucrats than your ministers. Your comments.

I do not concur with this. In our democracy, the buck stops with the political executive. BJP and its NDA partners have several years of experience in government. We have the most experienced and talented people to run the government. As I have said on several occasions, we have to work as a team.

You have raised unemployment and jobless growth as a major issue against the UPA. In so doing you appear to have raised expectations of the youth who are looking for a quick solution. Can you tackle the challenge of employment generation swiftly?

The record of the UPA government on creating jobs has been very poor. While the NDA government created more than 6 crore jobs in its 6-year rule, the UPA government has created only 1.5 crore jobs in 10 years!

Job creation has to be our primary target. There is no point in talking about hollow development schemes when the people are not getting jobs. I understand the raised expectations of youth. This is because there was absolute pessimism in the last 10 years. They now have a glimmer of hope and that is due to our track record. I think our youth is extremely talented, capable and ready to work hard. They have a right to dream. They have a right to build their own lives and careers. It is our responsibility to give them ample opportunity. It is our responsibility to ensure that they get the right kind of education and skills so that they can be employed.

We are aware of the expectations and we are ready to work hard to meet those expectations.

Growing joblessness in the manufacturing sector is a cause for worry. More are finding work in the services sector. Do you think this needs to be reversed?

The UPA government did not focus on the manufacturing sector. We are very clear that we have to focus on the manufacturing sector because that is where jobs are generated. Even within the manufacturing sector, there has to be adequate focus on the micro, small and medium enterprises. The next war that is going to be fought globally is the "jobs war". We must prepare our country to face that challenge.

Homelessness is another giant challenge. Low interest rates helped many among the middle and lower middle classes to buy their own homes. But the rise in interest rates has put the dream beyond the reach of many. Can you make any commitments on easing the burden on the salaried class?

It is a matter of shame that even after 65 years of independence, we have not been able to provide shelter to our citizens. The Congress government never gave adequate focus on this issue. We are clear that by the time our country completes 75 years of independence, every family should have a house of its own. Not only this, we should aim that this house has access to toilets, water and electricity. To achieve this, there has to be a national policy on affordable housing. Any such policy has to creatively leverage land as a resource. We will aim at arriving at a policy which has a mix of public investment and private investment and the focus will be on easy access to credit including interest subvention, if necessary. 

What about the economically weaker sections? Can existing schemes like Indira Awas Yojana be scaled up or modified, or will you like to launch new projects?

We have to examine all options in a comprehensive manner. Our focus has to be on addressing the issue of urban and rural housing in a comprehensive manner. We will focus on the economically weaker sections.

What do you think of NREGA? Opinion is split about its benefits. Its votaries say that it has set a floor for rural wage and has provided cushion to landless labour. Critics say that it has distorted the wage market, and the billions spent without any durable community assets being created. What is your view?

We are committed to the effective implementation of NREGA. However, there is a need to analyze the costs and benefits in a professional manner. Experts should be asked to find out the loopholes and plug them. One thing is clear: at present, there is hardly any creation of durable community assets. We cannot let so much public money be spent without creating any durable assets. It also needs to be examined whether part of the NREGA funds can be used for rural housing, rural sanitation and providing skills to the unemployed in rural areas. I feel that after the Act was passed by Parliament with the support of parties like BJP, the UPA government did not follow it up with proper implementation. They were more interested in reaping political benefit out of this scheme rather than focusing on effective implementation to provide employment support.

Indian agriculture faces the problem of low productivity and rising pressure on land. How can things be remedied at a time when wages are rising?

I have often said that we have to address the problem of low productivity in agriculture. Agriculture needs to be made remunerative to farmers. The entire methodology of fixing the MSP needs to be relooked at. The farmer has to be adequately compensated for his efforts. The UPA government has neglected the agriculture sector and has done nothing for farmers. We need to bring back the focus on agriculture and take effective steps to improve the lives of farmers.

The first step has to be adequate investment in the irrigation sector. The Pradhan Mantri Krishi Sinchai Yojana promised in our manifesto is a clear pointer to the focus that we are likely to give to the agriculture sector.

Secondly, we have to take research in agriculture from lab to land. For this there has to be massive increase in extension activity. In short, we are committed to bringing the agriculture sector out of the present state of government apathy and neglect. Our focus is going to be on increasing productivity and thereby the income of the Indian farmer.

We also need to invest heavily on agro infrastructure and create value addition for the products. This will not only create additional employment opportunities but also increase the income of farmers.

There has been in recent years an intense environment versus growth debate. Do you think it is possible to resolve the tension between the competing objectives?

I think that we can take care of environment concerns even while giving sanction to projects. The problem arises when the procedure for environment clearance is used in a malafide manner for rent-seeking. This leads to projects being delayed. In such a situation, environment protection is not the objective of the government and projects are also delayed. It is this lose-lose situation which prevailed in the last 10 years. I am convinced that we can move towards a win-win situation where all environment concerns will be adequately addressed, but not at the cost of project delays. All decisions, even rejection of proposals, should be taken in a transparent and time-bound manner.

Many of your colleagues have complained about a determined attempt by your "secular" opponents to rally Muslims against your PM campaign. What is your response?

The Congress party is now staring at certain defeat. In all likelihood, it won't cross the hundred figure mark. As a last ditch effort out of a sheer desperation, it is trying to hide in the bunker of secularism. The Congress party and some of its allies are trying to resort to fear-mongering among the minority community. However, they do not realize that today's India no longer responds to fear-mongering. Most people can see through such gimmicks.

I only feel that it is unfortunate that a national party should resort to such tactics. However, I am confident that this is going to backfire and even lead to a backlash from the minority community which has now started seeing through the vote bank politics of Congress and is getting increasingly disenchanted with its politics.

It is said that if a Modi sarkar assumes office, RSS will work as an extra-constitutional authority. Your comment?

The only holy book of the government is the Indian Constitution. I am very clear that the government is run as per the constitutional provisions.

Why did you not campaign in Rai Bareli but in Amethi?

These are issues decided by the party as per its best interest.

What do you think of the censoring of your interview to Doordarshan?

It is highly unfortunate that the national broadcaster has to come under political pressure and political interference. It is yet another example of how the Congress party has tinkered with the institutions.

The list of institutions it has tried to damage is now growing longer by the day. They have interfered in the functioning of CBI, IB, CVC, CAG, etc. They have even tried to disobey the orders of the apex court. Even today they continue to abuse the position of the institution of governor.

I wish there is greater debate among the champions of press freedom on this issue.

Courtesy: The Times of India

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सवाल : चुनाव खत्म होने में गिनती के दिन शेष हैं। मौजूदा चुनावों में आप किस तरह का बदलाव देखते हैं?

जवाब : सबसे बड़ा बदलाव यह है कि आज मतदाता 21वीं सदी की राजनीति देखना चाहता है। इसमें परफॉर्मेंस की बात हो, देश को आगे ले जाने वाले विजन की बात हो और जिसमें विकसित भारत बनाने के रोडमैप की चर्चा हो। अब लोग जानना चाहते हैं कि राजनीतिक दल हमारे बच्चों के लिए क्या करेंगे? देश का भविष्य बनाने के लिए नेता क्या कदम उठाएंगे?

राजनेताओं से आज लोग ये सब सुनना चाहते हैं। लोग पार्टियों का ट्रैक रिकॉर्ड भी देखते हैं। किसी पार्टी ने क्या वादे किए थे, और उनमें से कितने पूरे कर पाई, इसका हिसाब भी मतदाता लगा लेता है। लेकिन कांग्रेस और ‘इंडी गठबंधन’ के नेता अब भी 20वीं सदी में ही जी रहे हैं। आज लोग ये पूछ रहे हैं कि आप हमारे बच्चों के लिए क्या करने वाले हैं तो ये अपने पिता, नाना, परदादा, नानी, परनानी की बात कर रहे हैं। लोग पूछते हैं कि देश के विकास का रोडमैप क्या है तो ये परिवार की सीट होने का दावा करने लगते हैं। वे लोगों को जातियों में बांट रहे हैं, धर्म से जुड़े मुद्दे उठा रहे हैं, तुष्टीकरण की राजनीति कर रहे हैं। ये ऐसे मुद्दे ला रहे हैं, जो लोगों की सोच और आकांक्षा से बिल्कुल अलग हैं।
सवाल : क्या आपको लगता नहीं कि चुनाव व्यवस्था और राजनीतिक आचार-व्यवहार में सुधार की आवश्यकता है। अपनी ओर से कोई पहल करेंगे?

जवाब : देश के लोग लगातार उन राजनीतिक दलों को खारिज कर रहे हैं जो नकारात्मक राजनीति में विश्वास रखते हैं। जो सकारात्मक बात या अपना विजन नहीं बताते, वो जनता का विश्वास भी नहीं जीत पाते। जो सिर्फ विरोध की राजनीति में विश्वास रखते हैं, जो सिर्फ विरोध के लिए विरोध करते हैं, ऐसे लोगों को जनता लगातार नकार रही है। ऐसे में उन लोगों को जनता का मूड समझना होगा और अपने आप में सुधार लाना होगा। मैं आपको कांग्रेस का उदाहरण दे रहा हूं। कांग्रेस आज जड़ों से बिलकुल कट चुकी है। वो समझ ही नहीं पा रही है कि इस देश की संस्कृति क्या है। इस चुनाव के दौरान पार्टी नेताओं ने जैसी बातें बोली हैं, उससे पता चलता है कि वो भारतीय लोकतंत्र के मूल तत्व को पकड़ नहीं पा रही।

कांग्रेस नेता विभाजनकारी बयानबाजी, व्यक्तिगत हमले और अपशब्द बोलने से बाहर नहीं निकल पा रहे। उन्हें लग रहा होगा कि उनके तीन-चार चाटुकारों ने अगर उस पर ताली बजा दी तो इतना काफी है। वो इसी से खुश हैं, लेकिन उनको ये नहीं पता चल रहा है कि जनता में इन सारी चीजों को लेकर बहुत गुस्सा है। कांग्रेस तो अहंकारी है, जनता की बात सुनने वाली नहीं है। वो तो नहीं बदल सकती। लेकिन जो उनके सहयोगी दल हैं, वो देखें कि जनता का मूड क्या है, वो क्या बोल रही है। उन्हें समझना होगा कि इस राह पर चले तो लगातार रिजेक्शन ही मिलने वाला है। मुझे लगता है कि लोग इन्हें रिजेक्ट कर-कर के इनको सिखाएंगे। राजनीति में जो सुधार चाहिए वो लोग ही अपने वोट की शक्ति से कर देते हैं। लोग ही राजनीतिक दलों, खासकर नकारात्मक राजनीति करने वालों को सिखाएंगे और बदलाव लाएंगे।
सवाल : क्या इस चुनाव में जातीय और धार्मिक विभाजन के सवाल ज्यादा उभर आए हैं? जब चुनाव शुरू हुआ था तो एजेंडा अलग था, आखिरी चरण आने तक अलग?

जवाब : ये सवाल उनसे पूछा जाना चाहिए, जिन्होंने पहले धर्म के आधार पर देश का विभाजन कराया। अब भी 60-70 साल से ये विभाजन की राजनीति ही कर रहे हैं। एक तरफ उनकी कोशिश होती है कि किसी समाज को जाति के आधार पर कैसे तोड़ा जाए? दूसरी तरफ वो देखते हैं कि कैसे एक वोट बैंक को जोड़कर मजबूत वोट बैंक बनाए रखा जाए। दूसरा, ये सवाल उनसे पूछा जाना चाहिए जो सिर्फ तुष्टीकरण की राजनीति के लिए एससी, एसटी और ओबीसी का आरक्षण छीनकर धर्म के आधार आरक्षण देना चाहते हैं। इसके लिए वो संविधान के विरुद्ध कदम उठाने को तैयार हैं।

ये सवाल कांग्रेस और ‘इंडी गठबंधन’ वालों से पूछा जाना चाहिए, क्योंकि वही हैं जो वोट जिहाद की बात कर रहे हैं। ये सवाल उनसे पूछा जाना चाहिए जो अपने घोषणा पत्र में खुलेआम ये लिख रहे हैं कि वो जनता की संपत्ति छीन लेंगे और उसका बंटवारा दूसरों में कर देंगे। ये जो बंटवारे की राजनीति है, विभाजन की सोच है उसे अब विपक्ष खुलकर सामने रख रहा है। अब वो इसे छिपा भी नहीं रहे हैं। वो खुलकर इसका प्रदर्शन कर रहे हैं, तो ये सारे सवाल उनसे पूछे जाने चाहिए। देश और समाज को बांटने वाले ऐसे लोगों को जनता इस चुनाव में कड़ा सबक सिखाएगी।
सवाल :  एक देश, एक चुनाव के लिए आपने पहल की थी। क्या आपको लगता है कि इतने बड़े देश में यह संभव है। अगर हां..तो किस तरह से ये लागू हो सकेगा?

जवाब : एक देश, एक चुनाव भाजपा का और हमारी सरकार का विचार रहा है, लेकिन हम ये चाहते हैं कि इसके आसपास एक आम सहमति बने। पूर्व राष्ट्रपति रामनाथ कोविंद जी की अध्यक्षता में बनी कमेटी ने जो रिपोर्ट सौंपी है, उसमें विस्तार से एक देश एक चुनाव के बारे समझाया गया है। इस पर पूरे देश में चर्चा हो, वाद हो, संवाद हो, इसके लाभ और हानि पर बात हो, इसमें क्या किया जा सकता है और कैसे किया जा सकता है। फिर इस पर एक आम सहमति बने। इससे हम एक अच्छे सकारात्मक समाधान पर पहुंच सकते हैं। जो अभी का सिस्टम है उसमें हर समय कहीं ना कहीं चुनाव होता रहता है। ये जो वर्तमान सिस्टम है, ये उपयुक्त नहीं है। ये गवर्नेंस को बहुत नुकसान पहुंचाता है। इसे बदलने की जरूरत तो है ही, पर हम कैसे करेंगे, इस पर संवाद की जरूरत है।

आपने ये भी पूछा कि क्या हमारे देश में ये संभव है। तो आप इतिहास में देख लीजिए कि जब संसाधन, टेक्नॉलजी कम थी तब भी हमारे देश में एक देश, एक चुनाव हो रहे थे। आजादी के बाद पहले के कुछ चुनाव इसी तरह हुए। उसके कुछ वर्ष बाद ही बदलाव हुए हैं। अब भी एक-दो राज्यो में लोकसभा के साथ राज्य विधानसभाओं के चुनाव हो रहे हैं। चुनाव आयोग एक चुनाव कराने के लिए पूरे देश में काम कर रहा है तो उसी में राज्यों का चुनाव भी कराया जा सकता है। इसमें कोई समस्या नहीं है, ये संभव है।
सवाल : गर्मी के कारण कम मतदान के चलते फिर से मांग उठी है कि इस मौसम में चुनाव नहीं होना चाहिए। क्या आप भी चुनाव के कैलेंडर में किसी तब्दीली के पक्षधर हैं?

जवाब : गर्मी के कारण कुछ समस्याएं तो होती हैं। आप देख सकते हैं कि मैंने अपनी पार्टी में सभी उम्मीदवारों को और सामान्य लोगों को जो पत्र लिखा है, उसमें मैंने गर्मी का जिक्र किया है। पत्र में लिखा है कि गर्मियों में बहुत समस्या होती है, आप अपने आरोग्य का ख्याल रखें। फिर भी लोकतंत्र के लिए जो हमारा कर्तव्य है, हमें उसे निभाना चाहिए।

मुझे पता है कि गर्मियों में क्या समस्या होती है। लेकिन इसमें क्या होना चाहिए, क्या बदलाव होना चाहिए, होना चाहिए या नहीं होना चाहिए, ये किसी एक व्यक्ति का, एक पार्टी का या सिर्फ सरकार का निर्णय नहीं हो सकता। पूरे सिस्टम, लोगों, मतदाता, राजनीतिक दलों, कार्यकर्ताओं की सहमति बननी चाहिए। जब एक सामूहिक राय बनेगी कि इसमें कुछ बदलाव लाना चाहिए या नहीं लाना चाहिए, तभी कुछ हो सकता है।

सवाल : आखिरी चरण में पूर्वी उत्तर प्रदेश की 13 और बिहार की 8 सीटों पर चुनाव शेष है। आपने कहा है कि गरीबी और अभाव झेलने वाला पूर्वांचल दस साल से प्रधानमंत्री चुन रहा है। इसके लिए अभी बहुत कुछ किया जाना शेष है। वह बहुत कुछ क्या है, बताना चाहेंगे?

जवाब : देखिए, पूर्वी उत्तर प्रदेश और बिहार के प्रति पिछली सरकारों का रवैया बहुत ही निराशाजनक रहा है। इन इलाकों से वोट लिए गए, अपनी राजनीतिक महत्वाकांक्षाएं पूरी की गयीं पर जब विकास की बारी आई तो इन्हें पिछड़ा कहकर छोड़ दिया गया। पूर्वांचल में बिजली, पानी, सड़क जैसी मूलभूत सुविधाओं के लिए लोगों को तरसाया गया। देश के 18000 गांवों में बिजली नहीं थी। इनमें पूर्वांचल और बिहार के बहुत से इलाके थे। जब मैंने बहनों-बेटियों की गरिमा के लिए टायलेट्स का निर्माण कराया तो बड़ी संख्या में उसका लाभ हमारे पूर्वांचल के लोगों को मिला।

आज हम इसी इलाके में विकास की गंगा बहा रहे हैं। एक्सप्रेसवे से लेकर ग्रामीण सड़क तक हम इंफ्रास्ट्रक्चर सुधार रहे हैं, बदल रहे हैं। हम हेल्थ इंफ्रा भी बना रहे हैं। आज पूर्वांचल और बिहार दोनों ही जगह पर एम्स है। इसके अलावा हम इन इलाकों में मेडिकल कॉलेज का नेटवर्क बना रहे हैं। हम पुराने इंफ्रा को अपग्रेड भी कर रहे हैं। अब हम यहां की स्थानीय अर्थव्यवस्था को भी बढ़ावा दे रहे हैं। हमें आगे बढ़ना है, लेकिन हमारा बहुत सारा समय, संसाधन और ऊर्जा पिछले 60-70 वर्षों के गड्ढों को भरने में खर्च हो रही है। हम इसके लिए लगातार तेजी से काम कर रहे हैं। मैं वो दिन लाना चाहता हूं, जब शिक्षा और रोजगार के लिए इन इलाकों के युवाओं को पलायन ना करना पड़े। उनका मन हो तो चाहे जहां जाएं पर उनके सामने किसी तरह की मजबूरी ना हो।   

सवाल : गंगा निर्मलीकरण योजना के साथ ही वरुणा, असि और अन्य नदियों की सफाई की कितनी जरूरत मानते हैं आप?

जवाब : हमारे देश में नदियों की पूजा होती है। हमारी परंपराओं, संस्कारों में प्रकृति का महत्व स्थापित किया गया है। इसके बावजूद नदियों की साफ-सफाई को लेकर सरकार और समाज में उदासीनता बनी रही। ये बड़े दुर्भाग्य की बात है कि दशकों तक देश की सरकारों ने नदियों को एक डंपिंग ग्राउंड की तरह इस्तेमाल किया। नदियों की स्वच्छता को लेकर कोई जागरुकता अभियान चलाने का प्रयास नहीं हुआ।

गंगा, वरुणा, असि समेत देश की सभी नदियों को स्वच्छ बनाने और उनकी सेहत को बेहतर करने के प्रयास जारी हैं। मैंने बहुत पहले नदियों के एक्वेटिक इकोसिस्टम को बदलने की जरूरत बताई थी। आज देश नदियों की स्वच्छता को लेकर गंभीर है। वाटर मैनेजमेंट, सीवेज मैनेजमेंट और नदियों का प्रदूषण कम करने के लिए लोग भी अपना योगदान देने को तैयार हैं। इस दिशा में जन भागीदारी से हमें अच्छे परिणाम मिलेंगे।

सवाल : 2014 में जब आपके पास देश के अलग-अलग हिस्सों से चुनाव लड़ने के प्रस्ताव आ रहे थे, तब आपने काशी को क्यों चुना?

जवाब : मैं मानता हूं कि मैंने काशी को नहीं चुना, काशी ने मुझे चुना है। पहली बार वाराणसी से चुनाव लड़ने का जो निर्णय हुआ था, वो तो पार्टी ने तय किया था। मैंने पार्टी के एक सिपाही के तौर पर उसका पालन किया, लेकिन जब मैं काशी आया तो मुझे लगा कि इसमें नियति भी शामिल है। काशी उद्देश्यों को पूरा करने की भूमि है। अहिल्या बाई होल्कर ने बाबा का भव्य धाम बनाने का संकल्प पूरा करने के लिए काशी को चुना था। मोक्ष का तीर्थ बनाने के लिए महादेव ने काशी को चुना। इस नगरी में तुलसीदास राम का चरित लिखने का उद्देश्य लेकर पहुंचे। महामना यहां सर्वविद्या की राजधानी बनाने आए। शंकराचार्य ने काशी को शास्त्रार्थ के लिए चुना। इन सबकी तपस्या से प्रेरणा लेकर और इनके आशीर्वाद से काशी की सेवा के काम को आगे बढ़ा रहा हूं।

मुझे काशी में जिस तरह की अनुभूति हुई, वो अभूतपूर्व है। इसी वजह से जब मैं यहां आया तो मैंने कहा कि मुझे मां गंगा ने बुलाया है, अब तो मैं ये भी कहता हूं कि मां गंगा ने मुझे गोद ले लिया है। वाराणसी में मुझे बहुत स्नेह मिला। काशीवासियों ने एक भाई, एक बेटे की तरह मुझे अपनाया है। शायद काशीवासियों को मुझमें उनके जैसे कुछ गुण दिखे हों। जो स्नेह और अपनापन मुझे यहां मिला है, उसे मैं विकास के रूप में लौटाना चाहता हूं और लौटा रहा हूं।

दूसरी बात, काशी पूरे देश और दुनिया की सांस्कृतिक राजधानी है। हजारों सदियों से यहां पूरे भारत से लोग आते रहे हैं। यहां के लोगों का हृदय इतना विशाल है कि जो भी यहां आता है, लोग उसे अपना लेते हैं। काशी में ही आपको एक लघु भारत मिल जाएगा। देश के अलग-अलग क्षेत्रों से यहां आकर बसे लोग काशी को निखार रहे हैं, संवार रहे हैं। वो अभी भी अपनी जड़ों से जुडे़ हैं, लेकिन दिल से बनारसी बन गये हैं। कोई कहीं से भी आए, काशी के लोग उसे बनारसी बना देते हैं। काशी और काशीवासियों ने मुझे भी अपना लिया है।
सवाल : हरित काशी और इको फ्रेंडली काशी के लिए आपकी क्या सोच है?

जवाब :  जब काशी के पूरे वातावरण और पर्यावरण की चर्चा होती है तो उसमें गंगा नदी की स्वच्छता एक महत्वपूर्ण बिंदु होता है। आज गंगा मां कितनी निर्मल हैं, उसमें कितने जल जीवन फल-फूल रहे हैं, ये परिवर्तन सबको दिखने लगा है। गंगा की सेहत सुधर रही है ये बहुत महत्वपूर्ण आयाम है।

हम गंगा एक्शन प्लान फेज-2 के तहत सीवर लाइन बिछाने का काम कर रहे हैं। इसके अलावा 3 सीवेज पंपिंग स्टेशनों और दीनापुर 140 एमएलजी के सीवर ट्रीटमेंट प्लांट का निर्माण हुआ है। पुरानी ट्रंक लाइन का जीर्णोद्धार किया जा रहा है। कोनिया पंपिंग स्टेशन, भगवानपुर एसटीपी, पांच घाटों का पुनर्रुद्धार किया गया है। ट्रांस वरुणा सीवेज योजना पर भी तेजी से काम चल रहा है। नमामि गंगे कार्यक्रम के तहत रमना में एसटीपी का निर्माण, रामनगर में इंटरसेप्शन, डायवर्जन और एसटीपी का निर्माण हुआ है। इस तरह की रिपोर्ट भी बहुत बार आ चुकी है कि गंगा में एक्वेटिक लाइफ सुधर रही है। गैंगटिक डॉल्फिन फिर से दिखनी शुरू हो गई हैं और उनकी संख्या बढ़ी है। इसका मतलब है कि मां गंगा साफ हो रही हैं। यहां पर सोलर पावर बोट्स देने का अभियान भी हम तेजी से चला रहे हैं। इससे पर्यावरण बेहतर होगा।

हमारी सरकार ने प्रकृति के साथ प्रगति का मॉडल दुनिया के सामने रखा है। हम क्लीन एनर्जी पर काम कर हैं, हम कार्बन इमिशन को लेकर अपने लक्ष्यों से आगे हैं, हम सिंगल यूज प्लास्टिक के खिलाफ काम कर रहे हैं। हमारी सरकार में देश में ग्रीन प्लांटेशन और वनों की संख्या बढ़ी है। काशी में भी हरियाली बढ़ाने के सभी प्रयास किए जा रहे हैं।
सवाल : काशी समेत पूरे पूर्वांचल के हेल्थ इंफ्रास्ट्रक्चर को मजबूत करने के लिए क्या उपाय किए जा रहे हैं?

जवाब : आजादी के बाद पूर्वांचल को पिछड़ा बताकर सरकारों ने इससे पल्ला झाड़ लिया था। हेल्थ इंफ्रास्ट्रक्चर पर कोई काम नहीं हुआ था। स्वास्थ्य सेवाओं को बदहाल बनाकर रखा गया था। यहां पर किसी को गंभीर समस्या होती थी तो लोग लखनऊ या दिल्ली भागते थे। हमने पूर्वांचल की स्वास्थ्य सुविधाओं को बेहतर बनाने पर जोर दिया। पिछले 10 साल में पूर्वांचल के हेल्थ इंफ्रा के लिए जितना काम हुआ है, उतना आजादी के बाद कभी नहीं हुआ। आज पूरे पूर्वांचल में दर्जनों मेडिकल कॉलेज हैं। जब मैं काशी आया तो मैंने देखा कि ये पूरे पूर्वांचल के लिए स्वास्थ्य का बड़ा हब बन सकता है। हमने काशी की क्षमताओं का विस्तार किया। आज बहुत से मरीज हैं जो पूरे यूपी, बिहार से काशी में आकर अपना इलाज करा रहे हैं। कैंसर के इलाज के लिए पहले यूपी के लोग दिल्ली, मुंबई भागते थे। आज वाराणसी में महामना पंडित मदन मोहन मालवीय कैंसर सेंटर है। लहरतारा में होमी भाभा कैंसर अस्पताल चल रहा है। बीएचयू में सुपर स्पेशियलिटी हॉस्पिटल है।

150 बेड का क्रिटिकल केयर यूनिट बन रहा है। पांडेयपुर में सुपर स्पेशियलिटी ईएसआईसी हॉस्पिटल सेवा दे रहा है। बीएचयू में अलग से 100 बेड वाला मैटरनिटी विंग बन गया है। इसके अलावा भदरासी में इंटीग्रेटेड आयुष हॉस्पिटल, सारनाथ में सीएचसी का निर्माण हुआ है। अन्य सीएचसी में बेड की संख्या और ऑक्सीजन सपोर्ट बेड की संख्या बढ़ाई गई है। कबीर चौरा में जिला महिला चिकित्सालय में नया मैटरनिटी विंग, बीएचयू में मानसिक बीमारियों के लिए मनोरोग अस्पताल बनाए गये हैं। नवजातों की देखभाल, मोतियाबिंद ऑपरेशन जैसे तमाम काम किए जा रहे हैं।

हमारी कोशिश है कि एक होलिस्टिक सोच से हम लोगों को बीमारियों से बचा सकें और अगर उनको बीमारियां हों तो उनका खर्च कम से कम हो। इसी सोच के तहत यहां वाराणसी में करीब 10 लाख लोगों को आयुष्मान कार्ड बनाकर दिए जा रहे हैं। इस कार्यकाल में हम 70 साल से ऊपर से सभी बुजुर्गों को आयुष्मान भारत के सुरक्षा घेरे में लाने जा रहे हैं, जिससे हर साल 5 लाख रुपए तक मुफ्त इलाज हो सकेगा।

पहले अच्छी स्वास्थ्य सेवाओं को लग्जरी बनाकर रख दिया गया था। हम स्वास्थ्य सेवाओं को सुलभ, सस्ता और गरीबों की पहुंच में लाना चाहते हैं। स्वास्थ्य सेवाएं सुलभ हों, इसके लिए हम ज्यादा से ज्यादा संस्थान बना रहे हैं। वर्तमान संस्थानों की क्षमता बढ़ा रहे हैं। इसके साथ जन औषधि केंद्र से लोगों को सस्ती दवाएं मिलने लगी हैं। हमारी सरकार ने ऑपरेशन के उपकरण सस्ते किए हैं। हम आयुष को बढ़ावा दे रहे हैं, ताकि स्वास्थ्य सेवाएं हर व्यक्ति की पहुंच में हों।

सवाल : पहली बार शहर के प्रमुख और प्रबुद्ध जनों को आपने पत्र लिखा है। वे इस पत्र को लेकर आम लोगों तक जा रहे हैं। इस पत्र का उद्देश्य और लक्ष्य क्या है?

जवाब : काशी के सांसद के तौर पर मेरा ये प्रयास रहता है कि बनारस में समाज के हर वर्ग की पहुंच मुझ तक हो और मैं उनके प्रति जबावदेह रहूं। ये आज की बात नहीं है, मैंने पहले भी इस तरह के प्रयास किए हैं। लोगों से जुड़ने के लिए मैंने सम्मेलनों का आयोजन किया है। 2022 में मैंने प्रबुद्ध वर्ग सम्मेलन किया, उससे पहले भी मैं काशी के विद्वानों और प्रबुद्ध लोगों से मिला हूं। मैंने महिला सम्मेलन किया है, मैं बुनकरों से मिला हूं। मैंने बच्चों से मुलाकात की। गोपालकों, स्वयं सहायता समूह की बहनों से भी मिल चुका हूं। मैं हर समय कोशिश करता हूं कि वाराणसी में समाज के हर वर्ग के लोगों से जुड़ सकूं। आज आप जिस पत्र की बात कर रहे हैं वो वाराणसी के लोगों से जुड़ने का, संवाद का ऐसा ही एक प्रयास है। दूसरा, ये लोकतांत्रिक प्रक्रिया में बहुत जरूरी है कि समाज के प्रमुख और प्रबुद्ध लोगों के माध्यम से जन-जन तक लोकतंत्र में भागीदारी का संदेश पहुंचे। काशी के विकास के संबंध में संदेश जाए। जब ऐसा संदेश जाता है कि काशी के विकास के लिए वोट करना है, तो इससे लोकतंत्र समृद्ध होता है। इससे लोग मतदान के प्रति, संवैधानिक व्यवस्था के प्रति अपनी जिम्मेदारी महसूस करते हैं।

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Source: Hindustan